After my recent posts and the responses that others have posted, I found, on my wanderings, two posts that seem to address what I will call wanting "the best of both worlds." Because I believe that that's what I'm striving to achieve. I do naturally assume that most mothers want to spend time--some time, all of their time, more time, whatever--with their children. I feel that this can be accomplished more than it is being now by a pervasive change in attitude. And, well, it doesn't seem that I'm alone here.
In her post on Women, Work and the Church, Sarahndipity refers to a blog post by Radical Catholic Mom that raises the issue of women, work and families within Catholic marriages.
The argument is a familiar one (at least to me)--that in a Catholic marriage, we are called to be "open to life," and while this does not necessarily mean that every Catholic family must be a large family, large families are regarded as evidence of the couple's own generosity, and are certainly a blessing and an asset to the Church (and to society more generally!). Here I am using the post as a jumping off point for what I already know about this subject, which is one I have certainly considered. So depending on the couple's situation and their discernment of family size, taking into account any surprises God has in store for them along the way, the couple has to decide at some point which spouse will be primary caregiver for the children, or whether the children will be in daycare, etc. Or the couple may not have to decide, since they may already know that one or another parent prefers to stay home full time. Or they may not decide, since the default stay-at-home parent, if stay-at-home-parenting is deemed necessary, appropriate, or preferable is generally (though not always) the mother. On the other hand, potential career paths or the spouses' earning potential might dictate which parent (if either) stays home.
The point made by Radical Catholic Mom seems to be that if Church teaching is strictly followed, women will continue having babies every couple of years and stay at home, even if they desire to work, thus becoming entirely financially dependent on their husbands. There is some room for disagreement with this representation of Church teaching--at least I hope so, for my sake!!--as Church teaching does allow for the couple's discernment of family size based on any number of serious considerations (this is very briefly mentioned in the post; perhaps she treats it in more detail elsewhere). The nature of "reasons" and what constitutes "serious" are often disputed, and I think the phrasing is left intentionally vague, likely to give Catholic bloggers something to debate on a regular basis. She goes out on a limb by stating that "the Church allows men to have it all," a point Sarahndipity and others dispute.
Sarahndipity extends the argument ways that I find interesting given my own recent posts and the fact that unlike Radical Catholic Mom, she addresses means of correcting the problem and resists the temptation to lay all blame at the feet of the Catholic Church:
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However, for me at least, working part-time or from home actually sounds much more appealing then a traditional full-time job. Even if I wasn’t a mom, this would still be more appealing! And it’s almost always women who go this route. So from that point of view, women actually have it somewhat “better.” The problem is that fulfilling part-time work is hard to come by, and home business are hard to start. If it were easier, I would say women would have the better deal. But as with all things in life, it’s a trade-off.
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I think much of the problem lies with the society, which does not value children and forces women to conform to career paths that are easier for men. I think what we need is more family-friendly career options, like part-time work, flex time, work-from-home options, home businesses, etc. (And it’s not just women who deserve family-friendly work – men should not have to work 80-hour weeks and never see their families just to put food on the table. The workplace needs to be more humane for everyone.)
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Sounds familiar! So when I say that I want to work in a job that I feel allows for time with my family, and that I don't want to leave my children in the care of others, and that this should be O.K., I am echoing the sentiments of others. The interesting thing with my situation is that I don't really have the choice to stay at home full-time, even if I wanted to (which, right now, I don't really want to do, because as much as I complain, I do find what I do fulfilling!) since right now, in spite of my husband's excellent and diverse qualifications and multiple degrees, my career path is more clear-cut. I am our hope right now for a larger income and a move out of this town/state (whichever). I've gotta tell you, if this is what men who are the sole or primary providers face, it's a lot of responsibility and quite a burden! At one point we thought the job market thing would be more mutual, and that whoever got the job with the potential for a spousal hire (and moving expenses! don't forget moving expenses!) would determine & direct our move, but that's not the way things actually worked out in our case. But what she suggests is what I would like--the flexibility to parent my children for the better part of the day/week without having to give up the career path I have chosen (even if that were a real option). Incidently, I feel like, in this case, that "career path" thing is a "serious reason" to postpone pregnancy in our case (even by Church standards), since 1) circumstances have, indeed, permitted me to get this far, 2) mine is the career that has the greatest potential for advancement at this point, and 3) do student loans count? Anyway, I certainly believe that the "best of both worlds" should--and could--be an option.
Anastasia, who has also spilled a lot of virtual ink on this topic, and who opened this can of worms (at least for me), has some thoughts on Women who want too much, which to me, sounds like women who also want "the best of both worlds"--this time, for purely secular reasons (or not necessarily, but not explicitly for religious reasons either).
Incidently, my conversion to Catholicism has nothing at all to do with my preference for not putting my children in daycare--those ideas were well-formed long before I seriously considered converting!
Anastasia addresses "the accusation that mothers just want the whole world to revolve around them and all of society to cater to their every whim" and "the accusation . . . that mothers, by demanding better treatment, can go too far and wander into the mistreatment of others." She "read(s) it as a power play. The one demanding a voice must either pull herself up short or be pulled up short by others in the name of balance." She concludes with two nice paragraphs that need to be quoted in full:
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A society that would allow me freedom and equality, as a woman with children, is a better society for everyone. A society that respects and supports mothers should be a society that respects and supports human beings as individuals embedded in a web of familial relationships. The goal of feminism, as I see it, is to humanize the culture, not to marginalize the masculine. The focus is on the marginalized (i.e. women and children) but the goal is a reimagined society in which the human being is valued as such and the rights and needs of individuals as human beings are respected.
My point being, I think the idea that mothers just want the world to cater to them is a rhetorical ploy, intended to put women who make strong arguments for change in their place. It has the same function in discussions of race relations. It keeps the mistreated at the margins, subject to the will of the mainstream.
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I like the idea of a movement to "humanize the culture," with a goal of "a reimagined society in which the human being is valued as such and the rights and needs of individuals as human beings are respected." I'm not entirely sure that I see that as a goal of feminism per se (it wasn't a goal of humanism, either, and that tag is already claimed), but those feminists who see that as their goal have my blessing. (Which does not mean that I would consider calling myself a feminist--even of their ranks! For me, that would leave me open to the assumption that I believed in things and supported things in which I do not believe, and which I do not support.) If pressed, I probably could think of a movement that promotes that goal, even if it hasn't always worked out that way (there's no accounting for humanity, after all).
Departing from the world of blogs for a moment, one of the web sites to which I was directed by AcadeMama also seems to support the rights of mothers to pursue--and perhaps achieve--the best of both worlds. This is the web site for M.O.T.H.E.R.S.: Mothers Ought to Have Equal Rights. It is rare when a search of a site that is considered feminist doesn't turn up any references to abortion (like this one: The Motherhood Project); I am sorry to say that Mothers Ought to Have Equal Rights doesn't have a search feature, but there was nothing overt. One of the sites they link to is a project of NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund, so do with that what you will. Not knowing enough about it, I don't endorse this site in any way, but I did find it interesting that they are, essentially, working for the recognition of the worth of mothers (and other primary caregivers) in economic terms. I would love to dispute the claim that "(m)ost mothers are 'dependents' in marriage, not economic equals. They have no unequivocal right to half the family assets, and are not considered joint recipients of the family's income during or after marriage." Familial experience has shown me that this is easily true, though I would say that any marriage that actually operates according to this principle is an abusive marriage on some level.
We of course hope that when men are the primary--or sole--economic providers, that their priorities lie with their families. Unfortunately, the "my money"/"her money" dynamic does exist, though it shouldn't exist, even when both spouses work. This dynamic existed in my mother's marriage with her second husband, who gave her $50 a week for groceries for 6 kids (her "spending money"), while he also had $50 "spending money" for bowling, fast food, and beer, with exclusive use of the checkbook when he felt like punishing her. So when Mothers Ought to Have Equal Rights quotes the statistic that "(m)others' lack of financial equality in marriage deprives children; fathers are statistically less likely to spend their money on childrens' health and education" (sic), it certainly rings true. I know divorce is a separate situation, but let's just say that the children's health care that he was ordered to pay was arranged in such a way that my mother could not access the benefits. We hope that the marriage won't actually end this way or operate this way, but in reality, it happens to too many women--even those in Sacramental marriages.
So far, I have dwelt on the worst of all possible worlds. But I feel that the arguments of a woman who raised 6 children, enduring varying levels of mostly verbal, economic, and emotional abuse, who was finally able to break free of the immediate control, but feels entitled to economic compensation for the work she did as a mother and for the emotional abuse that literally prevented her from working outside of the home and then made her feel like a failure when she had to quit her job(s) to care for her children, who suffered from manipulation, anger & neglect while she was gone, would be regarded as "wanting too much" (using Anastasia's phrase out of context). Though she has worked enough hours in her lifetime to retire (once her 13-year-old is independent), she is nevertheless expected to get a minimum wage or entry-level job or have one imputed to her by the courts.
Sarahndipity notes, separately, that "[w]e also need to realize that for women, the male pattern of graduate, get a job, work for 30 years straight, and retire doesn’t work as well. It would make more sense for women to have their children while they’re young and reenter the workforce later (or enter for the first time.) Unfortunately, there is a lot of ageism that prevents older women from getting entry-level jobs." Yeah, there sure is.
So Mothers Ought to Have Equal Rights says that women who have raised children deserve to be economically independent, or at least, to have economic independence equal to those who have earned Social Security benefits. I'm not sure how this would be accomplished, or if there is any way to accomplish this in an equitable, just manner, but it is certainly an interesting idea. The problem is that trying to accomplish this through legislative means does absolutely nothing to help the women who are suffering from this very thing right now. And really, that's a problem. The site asks, in a rhetorical response to an anticipated question, "Why is it we always seem to find the money we need for so many things, but when women ask for themselves or their children, the money is never there?" Why, indeed? Why is there money to accomplish political lobbying, etc., but not to establish a temporary or permanent independent solution? After all, Social Security isn't much of a solution either--it's more of a problem. So why should mothers want to go on board for that one? And on the other hand, it is better than the alternative: nothing. But it is not giving mothers what they truly deserve: the best of both possible worlds--the experience, responsibility, rewards of having mothered and the social and financial independence of having worked a demanding, sometimes heartbreaking, real and socially valuable job.
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I think your points are valid for those moms who can afford to work part-time or who are blessed to be in flexible fields. You rightly pointed out that not all moms are afforded that privelege. What about them? It seems like they are just made to feel bad for not entering into the "right" fields. And...I have to ask: is it a crime to like working? And is it bad to want to devote time to children and work the way men do? I'd also like to hear you comment on how this can work for single moms or moms in abusive marriages. It seems that moms in abusive marriages might feel trapped in those marriages if they only work part-time.
-C
P.S. Don't get me started on the absurdity of neoconmom's post. I'm sure John would also add that it is unfortunate that Sam the Eagle be portrayed in such poor light.
Isn't a huge part of the problem that motherhood, raising children isn't valued as a "real and socially valuable job"? If it were, then a woman who had been "outside the workforce" while raising six kids wouldn't have to start at an entry level job. Instead, her skills and achievements would be acknowledged and counted as just as real and worthwhile as those of a child-care "professional" or a teacher or any of the other people who provide the same services for mothers who don't stay at home with their children.
There's a double standard at play when the exact same work is not valued the same just because one person does it for love and the other person does it for money.
I'm not saying stay-at-home moms should receive monetary compensation for the work they do. I think that's a colossally bad way to address the problem. (Cases of divorce where one spouse is the money-earner and the other stays home are an obvious exception, a fair settlement should be reached and the woman should not be abandoned, destitute and helpless.) But there must be some kind of middle ground where an employer would recognize that a stay-at-home mom has not been wasting her life (the stereotypical sitting on the couch eating bon-bons and watching soap operas does not accurately describe the hard work and dedication of most stay-at-home moms); but doing hard work, valuable work, and developing many skills that will be a valuable asset to that employer.
Neocon mom,
I do hope that you're joking... Your comment has the feel of a parody. We'll just keep it at that!
C-
I'm not sure why you want me to reiterate what I've already said--after all, I do like what I do (most of the time). I just happened to choose my career with an eye to how much "down time" it afforded me.
Moms in abusive marriages, btw, feel trapped regardless. Or didn't you read that part? You're damned if you do and damned if you don't if your husband is abusive and controlling. Specifically, he will call you worthless if you do not work because you don't make any money. If you try to work ad earn money, he will use manipulation and abuse to make you quit so that you feel like a failure for quitting--then he will drive the point home. I know far too much about that subject for it to become a mere tool of discourse.
Single moms clearly deserve jobs that are flexible and pay well (and really, everyone deserves that option), but wasn't that part of the point being raised?
Thanks, Melanie.
(Cases of divorce where one spouse is the money-earner and the other stays home are an obvious exception, a fair settlement should be reached and the woman should not be abandoned, destitute and helpless.)
This is exactly the situation I was invoking, btw.
Interestingly, my mother also has an art degree and experience teaching art lessons to children, besides being an expert seamstress and possessing any number of other skills. But she moves back to New Orleans this month without having found a job here that was secure with benefits, and without definite prospects once she gets back home. :( And that's only the tip of the iceburg, really. This value of children/motherhood thing is something I've grown up with.
I know how hard it can be for even skilled people with degrees to find employment. My husband was without full-time employment for more than a year, having lost his job just days after our daughter was born.
You know I was just thinking, this vulnerability of women and children in marriage is precisely why the Bible places so much weight on caring for widows and orphans. In the Biblical world, women were even more vulnerable when their husbands died, depriving them of support.
I can see Melanie's point and I think I understand where you are coming from, literacy-chic. I think I'm just having a difficult time seeing the practical implementation of your utopic vision. I work in a Catholic school that prides itself on being family friendly (the school supported me during my pregnancy more than I thougth possible), but I can't imagine how it would be possible to be a full-time teacher while at the same time having my infant in the classroom with me. And, given the students I teach, I don't think it would be a good environment to have my infant in! So, I guess when I read your posts I am left feeling nothing but despair. I would love to implement your ideas in my life but see no way of doing it. Working part-time seems great, but the disadvatages of working part-time seem to outweigh the advantages (no retirement, no benefits, only a reduction of 2 classes for half the pay, etc.). As for staying home - I don't feel my staying home would be healthy environment for either my baby or myself. I know you tend to point the finger at feminism for the devaluation of motherhood but the devaluation of women's work has been the norm for much longer than feminism has been around. I guess I tend to blame capitalism for the fact that two-income households are becoming more and more of a necessity. You don't need to respond. I'm still meshing your ideas out. Just wanted to share my musings.
-C
Well, for one thing, the "practical implementation of my utopic vision," as you condescendingly put it, is mainly academia, or other jobs that are part-time, like the time-share that you've mentioned operated in your school when 2 teachers wish to share the same appointment and work part time. Clearly, I wouldn't be able to bring my babies to class with me either, although I have out of necessity on occasion. But I do have the freedom to arrange things to maximize the time I spend with them and minimize the time they are in others' care--this summer that has meant having various babysitters throughout the week: my husband (thought that was more difficult than in the past), a wonderful grad student friend, and sisters (who won't be around for much longer). In the fall, it will mean teaching in the evenings and bringing babies with me when I have things to do on campus during the day. Basically, you can make my suggestions absurd to further your points if you wish, but if you consider them in the spirit in which they are intended, you pretty much have to concede my points--hence the move towards absurdity, which is a rhetorical move, as I'm sure you are well aware, being a rhetorician yourself.
As for despair, there is no need, really. I don't see how anything I've said changes either your situation or your intentions. Now, feeling regret that things aren't easier is different, and we all feel that. Or feeling unhappy with your situation and confronting a need to reevaluate it is another possible reason for the despair you are feeling. BUt this doesn't really have to do with the substance of what I'm saying; rather, it means that I may be saying it at a bad time for you. Or perhaps a good time for you!! You have things well planned for the fall, if I understand correctly, and what's beyond that is wide open!
There are a lot of reasons that a two-income household is becoming important to families--inflation, standard of living, debt, inadequate wage for qualifications/job description (both of us), increase in minimum wage driving up cost while mid-level professionals do not partake of the increas... Then, we have inadequate job opportunities in the area in which we live, discrimination against people with higher degrees, discrimination against people who did not complete their B.A.s at this university, sheer mean-spiritedness of department heads, discrimination against non-hispanic teachers of Spanish; oh, the list goes on & on... And everyone has their own list. And "capitalism" is big & abstract and blaming it doesn't really accomplish much more than blaming "patriarchy" (they're both rhetorical moves, really), especially as the alternatives to capitalism are not pretty. You always end up sacrificing something, and I guess if we would stop being consumers, thus supporting the capitalist system, our ability to "make do" in the system would improve because our spending would decrease in relation to our income. But that's not so easy, and not desirable to most people, hence house notes, car notes, credit card bills, etc. And dual incomes. And child care expenses. But do note that I am not advocating abandonment of women's working outside the home. Somehow we keep coming back to that point, perhaps because it's just that difficult to imagine the kind of paradigm shift I'm talking about.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be condescending. I meant utopic in a good sense.
By the way, I think I remember a very well-meaning friend discouraging me from re-entering a school that teachs pre-k through 8 so that I could be close to my daughter during those school years :).
-C
Was the friend referring to the child care situation, or the quality of the school overall?
Pre-K is a long, long way away when you've got an infant. If you are confident that that school is a better fit for you & your baby, no friend's advice should or could keep you back!
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